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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 23, 2008 1:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

(*sigh*)...I've already read one cut-and-paste newspaper piece from you; not reading another one. What is your point, BD? Unless you you want to just sit here trading clipped articles which support our individual postions- and we could each certainly do that all day long, as I'm as well stocked as I'm sure you are - why don't you just speak for yourself- your words, please.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 23, 2008 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

Everyone's ego has to die. Even right wingers!

You'll be OK (sorry for the African word) if you know and work through the Five Stages Of Grief:

* 1. Denial.
* 2. Anger.
* 3. Bargaining.
* 4. Depression.
* 5. Acceptance.

http://www.memorialhospital.org/library/general/stress-THE-3.html

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 23, 2008 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

"Sigh" - wouldn't want you to have to read something.

My words - McCain lacks the proper judgment to be Commander-in-Chief and his decision to pick Palin as his VP was a cynical political play that was not made in the best interests of the country. While Obama is far from my choice for the White House (tigerbolt and I traded some stuff on this a few months back), I do think he will surround himself with a competent team whereas competence is the very last thing I've seen from the GOP over the past several years. Then again, when you don't believe in government, it's kind of hard to govern.

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 24, 2008 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

It's not that I mind reading, BD, it's that posting successive pieces that you simply copied from somewhere else is a lazy way to conduct an online conversation. I read the first piece and responded to it- that’s enough. This isn’t a classroom, and you’re not the teacher. If I feel I need to gather further reading materials on the subject, I’m quite capable of securing them on my own.

To suggest that McCain is somehow more politically calculating that Obama is flat out preposterous. Obama has done nothing since joining the US Senate expect prepare himself for this presidential run by coating his broad, sweeping, feel-good rhetoric in a coating of “present” votes to give him coverage on the specifics. As I stated yesterday and as his own evolution shows, he’s an Alinskyite, hiding his radical left intentions in order to postion himself on the inside. As far as Palin goes, her experience as a decisive executive absolutely trumps Obama’s history of non-votes. There’s no question in my mind that Obama will surround himself with a team just as devoted to moving America in the wrong direction as he is.

BTW- I never said I don’t believe in government- what I don’t believe is that government holds within it the solution to every one of society’s ills.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 23, 2008 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

Like he surrounded himself with competent business partners, preachers and mentors?

Have you looked into this fully?

Please don't make a mistake at a time like this.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 23, 2008 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

Yes, I have. I don't really give a shit about Ayers having been in the Weather Underground several decades back or a black inner city preacher making inflammatory comments. I understand choosing the lesser of 2 is still choosing evil (WWJerD?), but I look at the folks surrounding McCain - such as Phil Gramm - and that scares me a hell of a lot more than Robert Reich. McCain really is the McSame - you can debate it all you want, but nothing he has done in the past several months have convinced me otherwise. I look at his actions, not the empty rhetoric. Count me as one of the sheep bleating for Obama. Not thrilled about it, but there is no way in hell I can vote for McCain. I actually think he has some serious mental issues they have failed to disclose (ala Rehnquist).

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 23, 2008 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

Please do not punish the rest of us for your personal disdain for someone.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 23, 2008 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

Not so much disdain as disappointment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdLO3jKkPo&;feature=related

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 24, 2008 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

“ I don't really give a shit about Ayers having been in the Weather Underground several decades back…”

Why do I get the feeling if he’d been bombing abortion clinics or union halls you’d feel differently? The fact that the FBI fucked up does nothing to change the fact that Ayers is a terrorist of the same makeup, if not ideology, as Mohammed Atta. But yet he’s a hero to the leftist academia in this country. Tells me all I need to know about any “team” the Obamassiah might assemble.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 24, 2008 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

the Muslim world considers him a Muslim because his father was. They understand that in order to get elected he needs a christian "stance". (wink-wink-nod-nod...)

Any vote of mine will consider his liberalism & voting record and very little on his actual personal faith, be it Muslim or radical christianity.
Christ was a community organizer?, so was Hitler.

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Sep 24, 2008 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

The leftist acadmia also places that murdering communist bastard,Che Guevara in high regard.

http://www.che-mart.com/lifestyle.php

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 24, 2008 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

Hitler was pretty popular there for awhile too.

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Sep 24, 2008 9:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

Imagine the uproar from his camp if the NewYorker published a cover with Adolf fist-bumping Eva.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 24, 2008 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

Or leg humping blondi.

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Sep 24, 2008 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

that sound like a title for your next song.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 24, 2008 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

yes me like dat name

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 24, 2008 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

In his time, Stalin was also revered by the radical left, as is Hugo Chavez and Castro now - to name a few.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 24, 2008 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: More liberal media bias against McCain

The Ayers' thing is a real stretch insofar as saying that he is the type of person that would be in Obama's administration - go ahead and refute the following or blow it out of proportion all you like. Again, I'm not excited by Obama but I think McCain would be a disaster, and trying to tar Obama with Ayers is a joke - kind of like making McCain responsible for his connections with Raffaello Follieri, or being upset because he publicly called his wife a cunt in front of some reporters. None of it really matters vis-a-vis the issues at stake. And nice try linking someone who supports Obama because of the tenuous connections b/w Ayers and Obama with supports of Che, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc. Where's Pol Pot? Put down the kool-aid kids....

"William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, will be Barack Obama's Willie Horton."
--Former counterterrorism official Larry C. Johnson, The Huffington Post, Feb. 16, 2008.

There has been a sudden spate of blog items and newspaper articles, mainly in the British press, linking Barack Obama to a former member of the radical Weather Underground Organization that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974. The former Weatherman, William Ayers, now holds the position of distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Although never convicted of any crime, he told the New York Times in September 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."

Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

Is there anything here that raises questions about Obama's judgment or is this just another example of guilt by association?

The Facts
The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more radical than he would like us to know."

The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."

The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a leftwinger with dubious support".

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.
In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton. The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted" after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the campaign.

But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out, Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and "passion for social justice."

"This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 24, 2008 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Guess who said this in 2005

"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market."

"I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole."


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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 24, 2008 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Guess who said this in 2005

John McCain